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Electric Jeep

Discussion in 'General Jeep Discussion' started by Justanotherjeeper, Apr 1, 2022.

  1. Apr 1, 2022 at 4:10 PM
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    We all had a glimpse of an interesting concept in 2021 with the Jeep Magneto, and I’m just wondering among the forum members who would embrace an all electric Jeep now that gas prices are climbing. Here in Canada they are a lot higher than stateside, and we just had a carbon tax kick in that adds $50/ton to the price, or about another .02-.03 /litre.
    I’m actually not complaining about high fossil fuel prices, which have been kept low, historically, by externalizing costs. They should be high - i.e. full price. And if we think they’re too much, wait until we start to pay for the full costs of climate change as things get warmer. Those costs will make todays fossil fuel prices seem like chump change.
    So, are we now ready to embrace an all electric Jeep? I am!
     
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  2. Apr 1, 2022 at 8:16 PM
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    I like the concept of an all electric Jeep with a few reservations with current EV tech. Infrastructure, charge times, recovery plans (back-up plan B-C) on the trail, water crossing, impacts etc.
     
  3. Apr 4, 2022 at 5:38 AM
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    I like the idea, but things like range, infrastructure to support it. Gas stations are easy to find generally. Charging stations are not. Time to charge, can fill up a tank of gas in less than 15 minutes. How long for a full charge? Also, the electric is generated somewhere, so when the demand goes up, what will the prices do? Going to assume the same. Would like the idea of having solar panels that you use to charge like a Jackery be able to plug in. So if you're off road, have the ability to charge. Standardize on solar panel chargers and from my understanding, not all plugs are the same, so standardizing that too.
     
  4. Apr 4, 2022 at 5:46 AM
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    There's a photo out there that shows an electric vehicle on the side of the road, with a gas generator plugged into it. So much for removing the gas dependency.:jeep:
     
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    There is room for more start-up companies out there to rescue these "dead" EVs on the road. Towing a gas-powered generator behind the jeep could justify nearly anything LOL
     
  7. Apr 4, 2022 at 11:34 AM
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    Yes, I agree, @aggrex - running out of gas, running out of electricity, what’s the difference? I’ve seen those road side rescue services set up for electric vehicles as well - great business opportunity as more EVs appear on the road, and doubtless will experience occasional difficulties just as gas powered vehicle owners do.
     
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  8. Apr 4, 2022 at 11:36 AM
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    Bound to happen to someone sooner or later. I saw a Jeep being towed to a garage yesterday too. These things happen even to the best of us.
     
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    i would convert my Jeep if it would be feasible in a blink of an eye.

    Just would need someone to pay for the transformation. LOL.

    Just got a Nissan Leaf as our third vehicle. Adding on for certain trips like shopping and for our teenage kids.

    Jeep, Challenger, Leaf

    We would have loved a Mini Electric but availability, price, range ... well, hardly any ecars available right now, we got lucky yesterday to get ahold of that 2022 Leaf.
     
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    .. oh, and it's not the gas prices for us .. that's a joke for us being originally from Germany ..

    Two years ago we installed solar panels on our house.
     
  11. Apr 6, 2022 at 6:05 AM
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    Availability is the problem. I would convert my jeep to electric as well. Perhaps conversions will become a thing, one can hope. Congrats on the Leaf, great purchase.
     
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    If electric is the ultimate mobile answer maybe there will be electric conversion kits. Instead of buying a pair of 10k Dana locker axles the money can be put towards a universal electric conversion kit that includes a large battery pack powering two axle motors…..dreaming….
     
  13. Apr 6, 2022 at 3:00 PM
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    Maybe not dreaming, @aggrex, there are commercial companies in the UK who modify Land Rovers, so if you scaled that up for the 2+ million JKs out there, and there was a buck to be made for a plug and play kit, I'm sure we'll see them in the marketplace. I'm hoping, anyway!
     
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    Im not. I also don't think we have to accept high gas prices. If you do, hats off.
     
  15. Apr 24, 2022 at 10:30 AM
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    Thanks for the reply, @jeepavalanche, I was just trying to gauge the thoughts of others on this forum by relating my own thoughts. And of course, since posting this in early April Jeep showed up at the Easter Safari in Moab with a Magneto 2.0 that mostly blew everyone away. So, gas prices, and energy policy is one thing, and improved 4x4 capability on a legacy vehicle is something else. Even the most modern and tweaked out fuel efficient ICE gets barely 40% efficiency, and the other 60% of that expensive fossil fuel energy is wasted producing heat and friction. But I don’t need to argue these things, everyone knows them, and EVs have their disadvantages too, which I acknowledge before someone starts a pile on, lol. But take a close look at the Magneto 2.0, and what’s not to like? Maybe what I should have said is that I have an open mind, and it’s getting more open as fuel prices rise never to come down again.
     
  16. Apr 24, 2022 at 11:02 AM
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    The biggest con for me at this time is the cost to go EV. As the technology improves and spreads hopefully the prices dip some.

    How much does the 2024 Jeep Wrangler EV cost?
    Jeep did not yet release the price information of the 2024 Wrangler EV. However, Car and Driver estimates that the 2024 Wrangler EV will have a starting price of $50,000. The site also gave an estimated cost breakdown of possible Wrangler EV trims:
    • Sport: $50,000
    • Freedom: $55,000
    • Sahara: $60,000
    • Rubicon: $65,000
    • Magneto: $70,000
     
  17. Apr 24, 2022 at 12:26 PM
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    I agree, @aggrex, and honestly I’m amazed at how much everything costs these days, including the astronomical cost of new Jeeps. Of course, as we’ve discussed before, no one will buy a basic Jeep, without tech, wind up windows etc. I’m hoping that one of the attributes of the EV age is simpler machinery, even if it’s a different paradigm. I kind of wished I’d paid closer attention in physics class now! As for the Magneto, I predict there won’t be a shortage of customers, though, similar to the Cybertruck. It’s amazing how much cash people can lay their hands on when there’s something they want to buy and at least it’s made in North America.
     
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    @aggrex - here’s what efficiency currently looks like on the new Bronco 2.7. IMHO, ICE technology and development has hit the wall with the amount of complexity involved reducing whatever can be gained. Once these machines get beyond warranty, and only become viable for repair by shade tree mechanics like many of us on this forum, what will happen to them? I’m not sure what’s involved to even change the spark plugs, and maybe they last for 200k miles and don’t need to be changed, but if you do ever need to remove them, I’m guessing it won’t be easy, or cheap to do so. My old 2011 JK looks pretty good compared to this, and I’m hoping I can just skip the pain of this interim step and go straight to electric in the near future.
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    Putting it mildly that Bronco engine bay is a mess....:puke:
     
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    As of right now it seems to me that EV vehicles are really only practical for around town driving. Charging takes much longer than gas fill ups and the range is considerably shorter, so you need more of them and any long trip just takes that much longer with the extra stops.

    I don't know, but have read that Lithium, needed in these new batteries, requires extensive mining and that there are not enough known deposits to build the batteries that will be needed, so that may be an issue down the road.

    On top of that the electric to charge those batteries still needs to be generated and the current electric grids are not up to that as of now. More power plants will have to be built to supply that power, and that will add to pollution (or the need to create more nuclear plants with the attendant spent fuel storage problems), so there is that as well.

    I am not saying that EVs are not a good idea. I am just suggesting that the process involves more issues than people generally realize. We will get there, but I think it will take longer than most people realize, and even when the Western nations have converted there is still the rest of the world, where EV vehicles are not a hot topic, so I think we will be seeing gas and diesel vehicles still being sold and used for the next 50-100 years. Just not here.
     
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