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Super swamper vs new generation tires

Discussion in 'Wheels & Tires' started by HardHat420, Aug 21, 2017.

  1. Aug 21, 2017 at 9:20 PM
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    So I've been doing research and most of the info I find on these tires is pretty old.

    And in the last few years there have been a lot of improvements in off road tires. So how do the ol super swampers compare to new mt tires?

    I've had maxxis buckshot mudders 2 and loved them. Especially how soft and sticky they were.

    I currently have dick cepek extreme country 33x10.5x15C on my 14 jku. I love these too.

    But I no longer drive the jeep everyday so I wanna step up to 35s without getting into 12.5 wide realm.

    My only option is super swamper. Interco has the sx2 35x10x15, ltb 34x10.5x15, and ltb 35x12.5x15.

    I'm leaning towards the sx2 35x10x15 but do a lot of soft sand and am afraid it may be too skinny.

    I read the ltb 34s run small and I was hoping to get some more clearance than my current 33s.

    I heard the ltb 35x12.5 run thin maybe even under 11 inches. If true this is the tire for me.

    Can anyone confirm this info? How would a bias ply tire designed in the 60s compare to my current DCs? What has better compliance, bias or radial?

    Will be mounting these on my current 15x7 offset 0 aluminum wheels.

    I hate tire shopping.
     
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  2. Aug 22, 2017 at 3:41 PM
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    I'm not a tire expert, I would think that the modern tire has surpassed the old super swampers because no one runs them in competition any more. Most are nitto or cooper or like brands in a mud terrain. I believe one of them makes a talll skinny tire. I will check on tacomaworld the parent site of jeeps.net there are a couple local guys running a 34-35 skinnier than a 12.5 wide. I will ask and get back to you.
     
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  3. Aug 22, 2017 at 5:21 PM
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    Thanks!
     
  4. Aug 22, 2017 at 7:25 PM
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    Hard question. The Supes were the softest tire on the market for years hence their poor wear rating, but because of this they were the best on the trail and the more your wore them the better they did except for mud applications. IMO the only two tires I've seen that compare to them are Maxxis Trepadors (stickies) and BFG MT (stickies). Of these I feel the Treps are the only ones to surpass supes on the trail. I feel that everyone is finally catching up to the supes when it comes to trail tires, not surpassing them.

    Tires are like cars. For every man who likes a Chevy there is another who likes a Ford.

    Mounting a 12.5 tire on a 7 inch rim will pinch it giving a a more narrow foot print than if you put it on a 10 inch rim. Might be what you are looking for
     
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  5. Aug 22, 2017 at 8:20 PM
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    Tires are like cars. For every man who likes a Chevy there is another who LIkes aFord.
    So true OFFGRID. ESPECIALLY back in the late 60s and 70s. Die hard buyers.

    OFFGRID. Made some awesome points, and shared his knowledge in this area. Hope he was able to help, which I'm sure he did.

    Let us know your decision HardHat420. We learn from other members too. :).
     
  6. Aug 23, 2017 at 5:08 PM
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    Thanks man good info. Do you have personal experience with the ltb or sx2.. such as stickiness, compliance and folding over rocks?

    It's a bit confusing with bias ply. I read bias ply has better traction because it is softer, stickier, folds better, has more compliance over all. Whereas a radial wants to stay in a straight line rather than grab the rock.

    However, then I read bias ply is harder, is not as sticky or does not fold like a radial.

    It sucks that I can't physically see the tires to compare. I wonder which one between the ltb and sx2 is easier to bend the sidewall by hand when not mounted to the wheel.
     
  7. Aug 23, 2017 at 7:24 PM
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    True hardcore wheelers use bias ply and you can go lower air pressure on them to have them flex when offroad. The steel belts are more plyable, but less durable offroad. It all depends what you will use it for. If you will spend most of the time on the trails get bias ply. If most of the time it is on the road get radials. I have never used the LTB. I ran a couple sets of SX several years back. Very soft. Not good on the road because they won't last. Great trail ability. I hear everybody likes the IROKs these days if you want SS tires. I buddy always runs The TSLs. They are the original SS mud/rock crawler tire. He is one of those that says the less tread the better it grips. The rock crawlers can't wait for their tires to get bald on top for the great traction on rock. As far as comparing I would say that the ones with the most side lug are going to get you the most bite. Out of the 2 you have chosen that looks like the SX2, but even more than the SX2s, the IROks have lots of side lugs much like the Maxxis Treps.
     
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    Wow...never would have guessed guys prefer bias plies on the trail. But, it does make sense now that I know why. Same reason track racers use them. Flex and stickies. Once again OFFGRID. THANK YOU.
     
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